What have I gotten myself into now? Anti-hunting debate again?
Thanks a lot, Holly! It was all because of your post, and the trouble you had getting your comments approved on Michael Markarian’s Huffington Post blog.
I had to go over there and try to get my own two cents published. Of course, mine went right on up there, and I got challenged (politely and respectfully), and now here I am embroiled in the same old debate I’ve been having for a couple of decades now… just on a whole new podium.
It’s a real challenge making a reasonable reply in 250 words or less, and I hope I don’t end up looking like a fool. If I do though, I’m still blaming Holly. If she hadn’t posted about Markarian’s blog, I’d never have even gone over there in the first place!
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June 15th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Lordy, lordy Phillip,
You truly are a glutton for punishment, those people have their minds made up over there, and all of the logical, science based and sane arguments which you have presented to them, are not gonna’ change their sentiments anytime soon.
But, I understand, you have to at least try!
Just like the fact that how many times must we tell them that the phrase “Canned Hunting” is not a legal term and gets thrown out of court every time!
Even supposed hunters (who, self admittedly, haven’t even hunted for over 20 years) still insist on using “Canned Hunt” in every other sentence as well as fully believing that internet
hunting actually exists!
Just as so very many people believed in the (People who woke up in a bathtub full of ice only to find that they had been robbed of their kidneys and liver) L.O.L. too much!
June 15th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Phillip,
If I wasn’t working 12s I would take the time to respond to that M fellow. Maybe towards the end of the week.
Regards,
Albert
The Rasch Outdoor Chronicles.
Where do Donations to the HSUS Go?.
June 15th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
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June 15th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
The Huffington site will not let me comment Phillip!
I have tried several configurations and the site will not let me in to post a comment, I have to enable cookies? no thanks!
I am very easily traceable through other means without enabling “That” dreaded feature on my e-mail address.
If Mr. Markarian was even the slightest bit interested in intelligent dialog it would not be so hard to allow individuals to comment on his essay about “Pay to Kill” “Pay To Play”‘.
My comment would have been, (If allowed to be posted) that every bit of the sport of hunting and our necessity to eat is pay to kill and pay to play.
All the way from us paying a slaughter house to do our killing for us, and also deep into the amount of money we pay to the State each year for Tags, Licensing Fees, Ammo and Firearms Taxes.
And even paying extra fees on top of our taxes, for access to our very own public lands ie: Los Padres National Forest down by the Liggett area.
Yourself and Holly as well as the actual data has revealed that internet hunting is just an urban legend and nothing more.
The term “Canned Hunting” is a made up name which P.e.T.A. coined back in the 80s in order to stir up the flames of controversy, and has no legal weight whatsoever.
When will people ever learn?
June 16th, 2009 at 1:55 am
I can’t comment on the site either for some reason. It looks like we have a pretty decent debate going on over there, though. I realize that it doesn’t all fit our ideals and beliefs, but I’m honestly impressed that it is civil and well thought out.
That being said, though, don’t give up yet, Phillip. Keep it going for all of us who can’t comment for whatever reason.
June 16th, 2009 at 4:26 am
P.S.
This internet hunting bandwagon which the antis seem to have jumped upon is just another example of how they operate.
Choose something which they can lobby about that no one will challenge, and when they have successfully lobbied and won their little victory, it will be one more item of which they can point to and publish in all of their propaganda literature.
Along with the standard statements of: Look what we did, we were instrumental in the banning of this loathsome practice of Internet Hunting!
It is proven that (No One!) is even doing this type of hunting venture since the originator shut it down several years ago!
Great idea, spend the taxpayers money to ban something which does not even exist!
June 16th, 2009 at 10:34 am
The discussion is worth having. You’ll never change the minds of the anti-hunters, but it’s a valid exercise to challenge the myths and misinformation that are presented to non-hunters. That’s why I keep doing it, and I’m thankful for other folks, like Holly, who keep at it even when it can be downright overwhelming.
As far as the Internet Hunting, yeah, it’s a straw man. The thing that pisses me off is that it was hunters who shut it down, before the HSUS or PETA even got their armies up in arms.
But in the interest of factual information, the technology definitely does exist. This was a real thing, and it would have become reality if hunters hadn’t stepped up to draw the line.
A lot of people would like to draw the same line at high-fence hunts. Honesty, logic, and facts… that’s the only valid currency in this debate. Don’t let them drag us into the name-calling and myth-making game.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
anti hunters are over rated they don’t know what its like to go out day by day to get trophy so tell this to an anti hunter and then ask your self WHAT DID I GET MYSELF INTO!!!
January 22nd, 2010 at 4:29 pm